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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s really going out on a limb though.  It&#039;s pretty forgone that he&#039;ll be in the rotation somewhere.

As for the Arroyo in the pen/Papelbon in AAA, I agree that&#039;s the course most likely to be taken, but it&#039;s the least effiecent since:
1.  You have to cut a gaurenteed contract to make room, or go with a short bench.
2.  Are keeping a goodish starting pitcher in the bullpen for guys that aren&#039;t much better, but sure are older and more expensive.

I don&#039;t like the idea of having the pitching staff wait out an injury to become effiecent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s really going out on a limb though.  It&#8217;s pretty forgone that he&#8217;ll be in the rotation somewhere.</p>
<p>As for the Arroyo in the pen/Papelbon in AAA, I agree that&#8217;s the course most likely to be taken, but it&#8217;s the least effiecent since:<br />
1.  You have to cut a gaurenteed contract to make room, or go with a short bench.<br />
2.  Are keeping a goodish starting pitcher in the bullpen for guys that aren&#8217;t much better, but sure are older and more expensive.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the idea of having the pitching staff wait out an injury to become effiecent.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter* N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter* N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark my words on the 9th day of Feb. 2006. Jonathon Papelbon WILL BE in the Sox rotation for this season. Just remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark my words on the 9th day of Feb. 2006. Jonathon Papelbon WILL BE in the Sox rotation for this season. Just remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m really leery about Damon outside of Fenway, and specifically in Yankee Stadium.  This year is going to prove whether or not Damon really is an excellent player, since he&#039;ll have to completely change his approach at that park.  Instead of a slap hitter who aimed for the wall, now he&#039;s going to have to either become a solid linedrive hitter (with every year, some grounders go for outs instead of hits as he slows), or a real pull hitter.  If he can adjust, good for him, but if not he&#039;ll have a horrific season.  

And Matsui / Damon with a 399&#039; left-center alley?  ouch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m really leery about Damon outside of Fenway, and specifically in Yankee Stadium.  This year is going to prove whether or not Damon really is an excellent player, since he&#8217;ll have to completely change his approach at that park.  Instead of a slap hitter who aimed for the wall, now he&#8217;s going to have to either become a solid linedrive hitter (with every year, some grounders go for outs instead of hits as he slows), or a real pull hitter.  If he can adjust, good for him, but if not he&#8217;ll have a horrific season.  </p>
<p>And Matsui / Damon with a 399&#8242; left-center alley?  ouch.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a plan; Arroyo in the &#039;pen, Papelbon in Pawtucket.  I&#039;d prefer to see Jonathan here but as long as we get 100-125IP out of him at some point, I&#039;m not going to worry about it.

More importantly, I expect Wells to be gone by April 4th.

Sean O - they aren&#039;t the 99 Indians but they can hit.  Johnny is MUCH better than what Bernie was last year.  Having said that, they are going to have problems stopping other teams from scoring against them.  The flip side of your question is &quot;how can the Yankees be unstoppable for 3 months, add one of the two best centerfielders in the AL to their lineup and not be expected to win 110 games?&quot; -- I don&#039;t think that&#039;s going to happen, but it&#039;s just as good a question as yours is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a plan; Arroyo in the &#8216;pen, Papelbon in Pawtucket.  I&#8217;d prefer to see Jonathan here but as long as we get 100-125IP out of him at some point, I&#8217;m not going to worry about it.</p>
<p>More importantly, I expect Wells to be gone by April 4th.</p>
<p>Sean O &#8211; they aren&#8217;t the 99 Indians but they can hit.  Johnny is MUCH better than what Bernie was last year.  Having said that, they are going to have problems stopping other teams from scoring against them.  The flip side of your question is &#8220;how can the Yankees be unstoppable for 3 months, add one of the two best centerfielders in the AL to their lineup and not be expected to win 110 games?&#8221; &#8212; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going to happen, but it&#8217;s just as good a question as yours is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I think we&#039;re talking about something different though, since the threat of injury is real.

My problem is that these guys aren&#039;t likely to get hurt in spring training.  It could happen, but it&#039;s not likely.  Anyway, when the team breaks camp, there is going to have to be a plan in terms of pitching staff construction.  Injuries are something you fix when they happen, by doing things like calling up Papelbon.  You can&#039;t shoe horn a starter into the bullpen because Beckett&#039;s blisters are going to act up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I think we&#8217;re talking about something different though, since the threat of injury is real.</p>
<p>My problem is that these guys aren&#8217;t likely to get hurt in spring training.  It could happen, but it&#8217;s not likely.  Anyway, when the team breaks camp, there is going to have to be a plan in terms of pitching staff construction.  Injuries are something you fix when they happen, by doing things like calling up Papelbon.  You can&#8217;t shoe horn a starter into the bullpen because Beckett&#8217;s blisters are going to act up.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and if the Unit doesn&#039;t get hurt, they could allow 825-850 runs this year.  He is not their answer, since he can&#039;t play the outfield, second base, or DH.

I don&#039;t understand how the Yankees can play horrible baseball for 3 months, make no changes except to replace an aging center fielder with an aging center fielder, and suddenly they&#039;re the &#039;99 Indians.  Doesn&#039;t make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and if the Unit doesn&#8217;t get hurt, they could allow 825-850 runs this year.  He is not their answer, since he can&#8217;t play the outfield, second base, or DH.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how the Yankees can play horrible baseball for 3 months, make no changes except to replace an aging center fielder with an aging center fielder, and suddenly they&#8217;re the &#8217;99 Indians.  Doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point is valid, the point you aren&#039;t exploring is the likelihood of injury.  Schilling, Wells, Wakefield and Timlin are all 40+.  Seanez, Foulke and Beckett both have to be considered significant injury risks.  IF everyone is healthy, Arroyo is in the &#039;pen and Papelbon in Pawtucket to start, the fact is by May 1, someone on that staff is going to be on the DL.

At WORST, the starters stay healthy, Seanez, Riske, Timlin, Tavarez and Foulke all stay healthy and effective and we don&#039;t have room for Papelbon.  This is neither likely nor problematic in my view.  Seanez in particular is someone I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see jettisoned if he goes Alan Embree on us.

As for the Yanks, if one more person tells me they&#039;ve upgraded their bullpen, I&#039;m going to throw up.  That staff is a disaster waiting to happen.  If the Unit gets hurt, they could allow 850-900 runs this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point is valid, the point you aren&#8217;t exploring is the likelihood of injury.  Schilling, Wells, Wakefield and Timlin are all 40+.  Seanez, Foulke and Beckett both have to be considered significant injury risks.  IF everyone is healthy, Arroyo is in the &#8216;pen and Papelbon in Pawtucket to start, the fact is by May 1, someone on that staff is going to be on the DL.</p>
<p>At WORST, the starters stay healthy, Seanez, Riske, Timlin, Tavarez and Foulke all stay healthy and effective and we don&#8217;t have room for Papelbon.  This is neither likely nor problematic in my view.  Seanez in particular is someone I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see jettisoned if he goes Alan Embree on us.</p>
<p>As for the Yanks, if one more person tells me they&#8217;ve upgraded their bullpen, I&#8217;m going to throw up.  That staff is a disaster waiting to happen.  If the Unit gets hurt, they could allow 850-900 runs this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is, like much of BPro&#039;s writing, that he doesn&#039;t look at the whole issue.

The Red Sox could do things like carry all six starters, putting Arroyo in the bullpen, but he seems to suggest Papelbon will be in the pen also.

So now the Red Sox have a 13 man staff?  Unless the Sox start to cut relievers like Saenez, there is no reason to believe that Arroyo/Papelbon will be relievers.  That&#039;s the problem with gaurenteed contracts, you have to actually honor them.

Mentioning the &quot;shaky pen&quot; just shows how deep Perry looked at the issue.  There are far less question marks with the Sox pen than with say...the Yankees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is, like much of BPro&#8217;s writing, that he doesn&#8217;t look at the whole issue.</p>
<p>The Red Sox could do things like carry all six starters, putting Arroyo in the bullpen, but he seems to suggest Papelbon will be in the pen also.</p>
<p>So now the Red Sox have a 13 man staff?  Unless the Sox start to cut relievers like Saenez, there is no reason to believe that Arroyo/Papelbon will be relievers.  That&#8217;s the problem with gaurenteed contracts, you have to actually honor them.</p>
<p>Mentioning the &#8220;shaky pen&#8221; just shows how deep Perry looked at the issue.  There are far less question marks with the Sox pen than with say&#8230;the Yankees.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at Dayn Perry&#039;s article on Baseball Prospectus yesterday about this very issue.  Long story short, between age, injury and ineffectiveness, the Sox are just fine with their glut of starters.

If the biggest problem they have is that Beckett/Schilling/Clement/Wakefield/Wells all make 30 starts, then they&#039;ll probably win 105 games and cruise to a division title</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at Dayn Perry&#8217;s article on Baseball Prospectus yesterday about this very issue.  Long story short, between age, injury and ineffectiveness, the Sox are just fine with their glut of starters.</p>
<p>If the biggest problem they have is that Beckett/Schilling/Clement/Wakefield/Wells all make 30 starts, then they&#8217;ll probably win 105 games and cruise to a division title</p>
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